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October 9, 2007 at 7:54 pm #1703Jeff VickersMember
For those into natural stone sales this can be of use…
http://www.marble-institute.com/industryresources/trifoldradonbrochure.pdf
October 9, 2007 at 9:48 pm #28201Norm WaltersMember” Calculations show that, for an average countertop,
containing an average uranium concentration
of four ppm (parts per million), the concentration
of radon that is given off by the countertop
into the household air is 270,000 times less
than the level of radon in the outside air. The
maximum contact level that you would receive
over one year if you were to sit on a countertop
all of the time would be about one quarter of
the annual radiation from all sources. “
Kevin, this is way to vague, and a bit contradictory of itself. First they say average granite, let’s take the granite with the highest radiation level, test it, then eliminate it from the marketplace.
Secondly, it says sitting on a granite countertop all of the time would account for 25% of the total amount of radiation that one is exposed to, to me that’s alot. And do you really have to be sitting on it to receive the same exposure? How close to you have to be, in the same room? And this was average granite, let’s take the granite with the highest levels of radiation, if the average granite accounts for 25% of exposure, what’s the worse case scenario.
Just curious
October 9, 2007 at 10:04 pm #28204Samantha BurnsMemberA few finds,
“Radiation measurements on granite surfaces can show levels similar to those from low-grade uranium mine tailings.”
Thoruim aveages 17 ppm,
“Radium-226 is one of the decay products of uranium-238, a uranium isotope widespread in most rocks and soils. When this radium decays it produces radon-222, an inert gas with a half-life of almost 4 days. Radium-224 is a decay product of thorium, and it decays to radon-220, also known as thoron, with a 54-second half-life. Because radon is so short-lived, and alpha-decays to a number of daughter products which are solid and very short-lived, there is a high probability of its decay when breathed in, or when radon daughter products in dust are breathed in. This is a problem because alpha particles in the lung are hazardous to human health. “
This link states that 50 and even 500 ppm uranium in granite.
Looks like worst case would be 12 to 125 times what the MIA reports. Imagine that…..
“The highest average values of 226Ra and 232Th concentrations (24.00 and 31.28 Bq kg–1, respectively) were observed at Abu Herigle region, whereas the highest average value of 40K concentration, 589.95 Bq kg–1, was detected in Umm Hibal. “
“Fractures and pores allow radon to diffuse more quickly”
Seems that there is quite a difference between old and more recent granite. Here is a link that gives these values
Older granite, Radon 226 2.91 to 31.8, Thorium 232 1.4 to 14.9, Potassium 40 from 132 to 2080.
Newer granite Radon 226 8.9 to 9087, Thorium 232 9.8 to 3834, Potassium 40 from 471 to 10,230
Highest values were Radon 226 9087, Thorium 232 3834 and Potassium 40 was 10,230
“A pack a day smoker takes in 15 to 20 Bq per year”
Here is a link that gives some common values of radiation, my thanks to the stoners that brought it to light over at gardenweb.com
Look about halfway down, there is a chart of common materials and their Bq rates. Granite is listed as 1000 Bq, apparently using a 4 ppm uranium content. Some one check my math, please.
1000 bq per kilogram, 454 grams per pound, so roughly 2,000 Bq per pound of granite. Average top is 75 square feet, or around 1,500 pounds of granite x 2,000 Bq = 15,000,000 Bq per kitchn top. A three slab job, got one going on right now, will be 30,000,000 Bq not counting window sills, tile for backsplash and floors, vanities and other natural occuring radioactive materials like cement and drywall.
A kilogram of uranium is only 25,000,000 Bq…… And remember, always remember that they quoted 4 ppm uranium content in the article. Imagine having granite with 500 ppm, take that 30,000,000 and multiply it by 125 or around 30 Billion Bq, approaching mid level radioactive waste levels, low level waste is around 1 million Bq.
Why didn’t the MIA article mention Thorium and Potassium in addition to the uranium?
On this issue, they are really selling the maximum and are open to a FTC complaint.
October 10, 2007 at 7:41 am #28210Dan DauchessMemberNorm,
Radiation dose falls off by the inverse square of the distance to the source. In other words, if you were twice as far away from the source, your effective dose would be reduced to 25%. That would be like moving from one foot away to two feet away.
Dan Dauchess
October 10, 2007 at 9:12 am #28220Tom MMemberDan, you’re saying that radiation follows the same rules as other wavelengths – the law of squares.
I saw this link posted on another thread, so I won’t duplicate my post here, but Norm is dead-on about the article, from an average Joe’s point of view. Near worthless.
October 10, 2007 at 9:28 am #28223Jon OlsonMemberI think i had some radon in my coffee today. tasted weird.
October 10, 2007 at 10:32 am #28234Linda GravesMemberIf you really want to convince people that they should not use granite you are going about it all wrong. Just put out a news release that states that it causes global warming. Everyone seems to be buying into that story right now. The information will then appear as scientific fact on all TV news, the LA Times will run a front page article, Fox will have debates with “experts” and talk radio will have another topic.
Did anyone else notice that the baby in the picture in that radon article is playing with solid surface squares?
Linda
October 10, 2007 at 10:48 am #28235Graham DMemberLinda, How can you tell those are SS squares? I looked, must be my eyes. Kinda looks like Eng. Stone.
October 10, 2007 at 11:07 am #28237Dan DauchessMemberTom,
The law of squares applies whether it’s sunlight, radio waves, x-rays, gamma rays…………
The health physics guys will tell you it all comes down to time, distance and shielding.
Dan
October 10, 2007 at 12:22 pm #28239Linda GravesMemberFEDSAWDAVE wrote
Linda, How can you tell those are SS squares? I looked, must be my eyes. Kinda looks like Eng. Stone.
If that is any kind of natural stone, the solid surface industry had done a great job of copying the colors. I have been looking at this stuff for years and there are solid surface colors that look just like those in the picture.
Linda
October 10, 2007 at 1:49 pm #28245Tom MMemberdauchesd wrote
Tom,
The law of squares applies whether it’s sunlight, radio waves, x-rays, gamma rays…………
The health physics guys will tell you it all comes down to time, distance and shielding.
Dan
Or in my case, Theatrical Lighting. Much easier to figure lumens when faced with distance from the source measured in feet, rather than tens of thousands of miles, like the sun.
October 10, 2007 at 1:51 pm #28246Tom MMemberRather, tens of millions of miles.
October 10, 2007 at 7:40 pm #28267Jay SchneiderMemberdauchesd wrote
Tom,
The law of squares applies whether it’s sunlight, radio waves, x-rays, gamma rays…………
The health physics guys will tell you it all comes down to time, distance and shielding.
Dan
Watch people at a countertop, most tend to lean against it. Right about family jewels level…… Or at a childs eye level.
Anyone see this months Surface Fabrication mag yet? Got our own Mr Mory on the cover. Also had a mention of a seven year old child being killed at a granite slab yard, killed by falling slabs while Mom and Dad were picking out slabs for their kitchen.
I am going to track that one down.
October 10, 2007 at 8:11 pm #28271roshanudithaMemberReceived my copy as well but did not catch the slab yard tragedy.
1st off, no child should have been allowed in that yard. Period. I posted once before about a customer who lost several hundred slabs due to the forklift operator tapping one slab and a domino affect occurring. Other employees were running to get out of the way.
October 10, 2007 at 8:38 pm #28276craig millerMemberOne of our regional solid surface reps was talking about this a week or so ago, what will happen when consumer injury or deaths become common in granite yards. His point was that picking out your own slab might not be possible one of these days.
I agree, children have no business in a stone yard.
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