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Hello Guys,
I have been approached to fabricate a lot of prefab’d countertops with a cove backsplash.
I have been looking at the simplest way to do it, and a v-groover might be it.
Ive seen a few machines that only make the backsplash, and then you have to glue it to the deck with a rabbet etc…
What do you guys think about v-groovers that make the the cove backsplash in a single pass, tape hinge, glue clamp sand.
What i dont like about this way is the beveled edge that is left under the splash, it seems to me that it would be trouble when installing since there is no support.
any ideas on whats the best way to do this? its about 300ft per week or so.
Regards
Fernando
Hey Fernando,
We currently use the streibig saw for production pass runs. I would seriously look into Monument Tools cove router before buying a large floor space killer, like a star-v or Auto-V. DO NOT look at Profilematic!
Don’t worry about the bevel on he back. We’ve never had a single issue from the field.
If you’r in a hurry Monument may not be the machine for you. We won a machine at the Orlando show in March and are still waiting. We still have no idea when we will get it after several promished dates for delivery.
Paul
Fernando,
We bought the Monument Tools VGroover in 2002, It paid for itself on the first job. The coving is straight forward and easy. and they developed an easy way to clamp it and hold the cove while it dries. The machine is used on a daily basis and has yet to need any service. We use heavy duty in and out feed roller tables and it is extremely accurate. Check it out you won’t be disappointed.
Thanks a lot for your replies guys,
i have looked into the monument toolworks vgroover, and think its a nice machine. But does it make a single pass cove backsplash integrated with the deck? I was under the impression that it only made the backsplash so you can then glue it in the rabet cut into the deck. Can someone clarify this?
Regards
Fernando
I don’t think so. I think that it is similar to other v-groovers, except that it uses routers. I could be wrong, here, but I don’t think so.
If Paul’s V-groover is still MIA, and we haven’t heard much from Steve here, I wonder if he and is ok?
Fernando,
It does not make a single pass integrated splash. It’s exactly as you said above. Are all these tops going to be straight runs? If any are L shaped then the machines that do the integrated splash leave a void in the corner that you have to plug. You can easily do 300′ a week with the Monument VGroover and dedicated router and straight edges. On the big machine you have the high cost of the machine, but you also have the high cost of that blade that cuts cove.
Hi mike,
Yes they are all straight runs.
I talked to the customer, and the only downsides to the vgrooving in one pass he saw is, that he thinks that the seam would be weakr than the ones on the traditional method using a coving router.
And that the bevel edge would be hard to cover with the lateral dropedges that will not be hard seamed.
I was kind of thinking to add the triangular piece to the dropedges to cover this.
I´ll see how it all develops.
The monument tools method with a dedicated rabbeting router sounds like a good “cheap” way to fabricate this.
Thanks all
Fernando
Hi Guys,
Well I have been trying to get a hold of Steve from Monument toolworks, I was able to talk to him once, but cant get a hold of him again, anyone know how he is doing? I heard he has had a lot of back problems.
I have decided to go the compact V groving way, now the hard part… get a hold of Steve hehehe.
Well, I´ll keep trying.
In the mean time, anyone has a suggestion about what other way there is (what machine) in case i just cant get a hold of him?
Regards
Fernando
Fernando,
I just talked to Steve and he will be getting in touch with you, said he was swamped. Happy Thanksgiving to you.
Thanks Mike
how did you do that??!?!
And happy thanksgiving to all of you, we dont celebrate it in Mexico though, at least not that I know of! heheh
Regards
Fernando
Fernando,
I popped onto this thread to give you some food for thought.I have run very very large shops over my career in solid surface,but I choose to keep it small and go at my own pace currently.Some of the things you might have to ask yourself as a businessman and a fabricator is will this machine whichever you choose,take me to the next level? and is that the level your local economy will help you maintain?Will you be selling cove jobs almost constantly when this job is finished? Certainly,a job the size you are talking about will pay for the tool and it’s set up.With the running room needed for vgrooving you will want to consider this.Is there a shop close to you that you could farm out vgrooving the coves?One thing you don’t want is a dinosaur in the shop,that you will not FULLY utilize.If your shop and the economy is there ,Go for it!The shop I worked for everything thing was touched by vgrooving and the comittment needs to be there to Fully utilize the tool,just not here and there.You still have to have the old school tools for doing L- shapes/plugging the corners.Pinkse has some good old school set-ups,that won’t take up floor space.I’ve seen to many guys get to far ahead of them selves with vgroovers.So I just wanted to offer an opinion,I tend to do that the older I get,LOL…..Aloha,Todd
P.S. I’m probably one of the very few that has had a favorable experiece with Wolfgang’s Profilematic.I’am VERY AWARE that many have not so I too cannot recommend that product….
Todd,
The Monument Tools VGroover does not vgroove the cove as a part of the top. It lets you make individual cove which you then cut a rebate in the deck and mount. It’s faster then the Pinske method, plus you can vgroove. Since you chose to keep it small it might be a machine you could use. The machine is a work horse, we’ve had it in production for about 4 years now.
Fernando, I’m guilty as charged. My back is still not healed, and it reminded me of that 2 weeks ago when I cut the heavy steel bars needed for the machines. All I had to do was take them off the conveyor and stack them on a pallet, no bending required. It seemed easy enough but the next day my back gave me a painful warning that all is not healed. Projected delivery time is now near the end of January as I am leaving for vacation tomorrow. If you can wait till then I will toss in a parralign clamp for free with the order. I wish I could get one of my employees to help me but my cabinet shop is slammed with work right now and every one is already working overtime.
Steve,
I love your tools, and you know how many of your clamp sets we’ve bought! I have to say though that it seems like it would be much easier for us to buy your stuff if you had someone who covered for you when you’re gone on vacations, conferences, track days, etc. It’s your business, so you can run it as you see fit. We wanted to buy two of your vertical seaming tables a few weeks back when you were gone on another vacation, and I couldn’t wait a week while you traveled and another week after you got back, so we bought two of them from Pinske. Last year we wanted to buy a cove router when we had a big job coming up, and it took so long that we just passed on it. Your stuff is awesome, is there any way you could hire someone for the tool side and make more tools and more money? I’m a huge fan, and I want to keep buying your stuff!
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