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It’s been a long day and I just remembered a question I told some onr I would ask. I pesrsonally have not had any solid surface sink fall out, but I had a customer ask how often that happens. I told them I did not know but I would found out and see if there are any extra precautions to take to ease your mind. Well I geuss no time like the present so does anybody have an idea how often this sort of thing really happens?
(Got have good answer to ease peoples minds)
Reuben, I have heard two good arguements covering both sides of the glue quality debate. One is that with acrylic, it is a molecular bond, simular to welding, and stronger than the material itself. The other, is that since solid surface is a polymer, which by defintion is a combining of molecules, there are no available molecules for the glue to bind on to, thus a simple mechanical bond.
Which is true is above my pay grade. I have broken one vanity top and wasn’t able to get the sink off intact. My suggestion is to glue one up and start stacking sand bags in it till it either breaks or makes one heck of a picture to show customers.
If it is glued properly, the sink will not come off. In 20 years I have never had one single incident. Not saying it has never happened but it is very rare.
From my understanding if it is acrylic products being used it should not come off unless you use bad glue. If it is a blend (polyester/ acrylic) being used it is possible since this is more of a mechanical bond as stated above. That is why for blended products they must be roughed up with sandpaper to increase the glue surface.
Chad from Integra or Lenny should be able to set us straight on this, this is right up their alley.
John C.
I would imagine that a bad batch of adhesive would endanger any mounting.
Having said that, I can only recall one failure (not complete, thank goodness) where we had a seam problem with the bowl. But then, Fountainhead is no longer available, is it?Tom
As John stated. Acrylic is a chemial bond, which means the glue etches both surfaces. Polyester is a mechanical. Both surfaces must be roughed up. Only time I ever saw a sinks come loose was in a fountainhead, surrell and floranata and lets lot the forget the unforgettable. Guardsman product.. All by the way were polyester and all no longer around. Anyone remember 2000X? oh, those were the days. yuk!
The only sink we ever had fall off was on a Surrell top or was it Fountainhead hell I don’t remember it could have been the offspring of the two….what do they call that…oh yeah Formica Solid Surface. LOL
2000X, Haven’t heard that mentioned in a while, they did have some cool ads if I remember correctly. Boy talk about something going away so quickly without a trace. They must have had some problems with that product…I guess…must have been really bad for them to change the name and everything.
Shane
I’m assuming that the problems with Fountainhead and surrel have been corrected. I have been fabricating with Formica recently and have not been having any problems .
Tahnks for all the info I will let them know just don’t do jumping jacks in it and you’ll have no worrys.[EMO]bigsmile.gif[/EMO]
…and lets not forget the unforgettable Guardsman product..Wow, you remember Solidex, Dave? They used to ask us to throw our keys across it. I guess to show the poly was harder than the acrylic. Funny thing was, the keys would often take a small chip out of the surface.
I still have an original set of 2000x. It was called something else before that, I think it began with an “S”, or a “C” (no, not Surrel and Corian).Does anyone remember Marlan? Poly-based solid surface vanity tops. Coved splashes, really not too bad, except the color was not too stable. I liked the rectangular sink shape.
They gave us a sheet to try out before they went to market. We cut a strip to glue up an edge, and inadvertantly reversed the piece. After we sanded it clean, we saw that the sheet changed color severely from end to end. The thickness was only consistent, because by reversing the piece, the 5/8″ thickness end of the sheet was paired with the 1/2″ thickness of the build up, and vice-versa.
Look here Tom
Sorry, Wes, I had you confused with Dave, please don’t kill me for the mistake. It’s a bad one, I know.Quintessa! that’s what 2000x was called before it was 2000x! I knew it began with a “C” or “S”.
Uh, wait….Tom
“Quintessa”? Wow…never heard that name. And Tom, You could never confuse me with Wes. I’m 6’0…He’s 7’0. Literally. The tallest SS fabricator in the nation and a wealth of knowledge in all things countertop. Wish he would post more but he’s busy taking care of south Florida fabricators.
I think that the market solved their problem all together.Amir, that would probably be true, if Formica Corp. hadn’t bought them up first. They tried running with the two brands, but eventually blended (hah!) them into Formica Solid Surface. You can see elements of both Surrel and Fountainhead in their samples.
om
On the sink subject, the only sinks I have seen fall out were Hi-macs. It seemed only one of my install crews were having the problem though. They would load the jobs in thier trucks and “pop” clean out goes the sink. We are using Integra adhesives never had any other bowls come out at all….ever. So I got into it a little more thinking my guys werent mounting the bowls properly. Turns out …..somehow they are flexing the tops so bad that they actually get the bowls to pop. I know this beacuse I would do multiple units the same way and they were the only ones having the issue.
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