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April 22, 2007 at 9:48 am #1031
Joe Corlett
MemberExcerpt from Where Have All the Leaders Gone?
From Chapter 1: Had Enough?
Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, “Stay the course.”
Stay the course? You’ve got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I’ll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out!
You might think I’m getting senile, that I’ve gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies. Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don’t need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we’re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That’s not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I’ve had enough. How about you?
More here: http://www.leadershipnow.com/leadershop/9781416532477excerpt.html
Joe
April 22, 2007 at 11:10 am #18792Tom M
MemberJoe,
Understand, this is coming from a guy who thinks W is not doing a very good job at all. In almost everything.
Lee Iaccoca must be getting senile, and is off his rocker.
Not to take up the bandwidth I could, from that full excerpt on the site, I’ll just throw out a few from your excerpt of the full excerpt (kind of a non-sequitor, eh?)
The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.
I trust this is merely conjecture on his part. I will not get into the 16 words debate again, because the other side seems to have an awful flexible definition of what constitutes a “lie”. He says the President is given a free pass to ignore the constitution? Exactly where is:
The ignoring, and
The free pass?
Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don’t need it).
So the guys who pay more than 60% of all income and capital gains taxes shouldn’t get any break from this? You could easily make the argument that the money that flows into the system to help sustain business and create more jobs is the very same money that you (Lee) thinks should be ignored. I paid off a few more bills with my tax cut. Those who don’t need to worry about it are the ones that will invest it.
While we’re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do.
So while Lee and his ilk are playing the fiddle, they think we should excoreate the guy who actually is trying to do something. Since it’s not the ‘something’ that they would do, Lee, Democrats in general, the Press and the other institutions of disappointment go all out in sabotaging every effort being made to try and fix this mess. Way to make a self-fulfilling prophesy, there, Rastus. Harry Reid says we have lost. Not that we need a new direction, or that we need more of this, or better that, but LOST.
And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions.
Right, because every day, all I ever read or hear about from the MSM is how great it is going over there. What utter crap. Do you disagree?
Tom
April 22, 2007 at 12:31 pm #18804LeeR
MemberTom,
Damn! I like your style.
April 22, 2007 at 12:34 pm #18806Wags
Memberhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CepS8u9wQ What gets me is how people have such a short memory. While the Democrats have the luxury of rewriting history, the President doesn’t. Interesting how the same folks that are today calling the war a mistake were all for it a few years ago. And they are doing this ONLY for political purposes, for power, to win the election in 2008. They could care less about the American Military, or the country, its about power and money. I could respect someone that was consistant, but all they do is energize our enemies. We can debate if the intellegence was flawed or not, but lets not call people liars when they saw the exact same information the President did and were 100% behind his actions. And just as bad is how the American People belive the lies the Democrats are telling us now.. People we need to Remember the past and hold these bums accountable.
April 22, 2007 at 12:36 pm #18808Tom M
MemberWes,
I was originally going to use the phrase “What utter mung”, but I think Dave has a copyright on it, or something.
April 22, 2007 at 12:42 pm #18809Tom M
MemberWags,
To be completely fair, they could have seen the same info, but only saw what was filtered to them by the individual security and defense apparatii that they pay. Not that there is any love lost for W by the lower deparetments, and I think that has a lot to do with how information gets fed out. See: Plame, Joeseph, and: Plame-Wilson, Valerie. Europe, Russia, the UN, etc. all agreed as well, and they did see all the pertinent info.
I need to ask you – when you guys heard that Congress was declaring us ‘lost’ in that other messy conflict, what did it do to your morale? What do you think of Harry Reid declaring us so now? What do you think our enemies are thinking about it?
Tom
April 22, 2007 at 12:46 pm #18810Andy Graves
KeymasterIf Lee Iacoca is so damn smart, why don’t he put down his little pencil, stop selling books and run for office. Then he talks about he can’t make hybrids…cause he is too busy making bicycles and electric golf carts.
What an asshole. (Am I allowed to say that here?)
April 22, 2007 at 1:03 pm #18811Jared Lilly
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Lee knows how to party !April 22, 2007 at 2:27 pm #18817Linda Graves
MemberI have one question for everyone running for office, holding office or voicing objections to the way the President is conducting the war in Iraq and the war on terror. “If you were the President and you had the backing of both Houses of Congress and the American people, what EXACTLY would you do?” Note the word EXACTLY. No spin, no sound bites but an exact, specific plan.
Linda
April 22, 2007 at 2:50 pm #18821B.Pass Construction
MemberLinda, I’d make the majority of Iraq a parking lot !
April 22, 2007 at 4:48 pm #18825Joe Corlett
MemberTom said:
“Understand, this is coming from a guy who thinks W is not doing a very good job at all. In almost everything.”
I do not think W is doing a very good job at all, in almost everything.
The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.
“I trust this is merely conjecture on his part. I will not get into the 16 words debate again, because the other side seems to have an awful flexible definition of what constitutes a “lie”. He says the President is given a free pass to ignore the constitution? Exactly where is:
The ignoring, and
The free pass?”
The president, the vice president, the secretary of state, and the attorney general tell us that the president can order domestic spying inside this country – without judicial oversight – under his power as commander in chief. Really? Where do they find that in the Constitution?
The American Bar Association claims President Bush has violated his oath by issuing hundreds of “signing statements” to disregard selected provisions of the laws that Congress passed and he signed.
A bipartisan, 11-member panel of the ABA found that President Bush is not only disregarding laws but using such signing statements far more than any president in history. In fact, Bush has used signing statements to raise constitutional objections to more than 800 provisions in more than 100 laws. All of the presidents combined before 2001 had issued only 600.
The ABA asserts that signing statements cannot be a substitute for a presidential veto and that such an assertion of presidential power amounts to a line-item veto, which the Supreme Court already has ruled unconstitutional.
President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.
Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Conress be told about immigration services problems, ”whistle-blower” protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.
Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush’s assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ”to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ”execute” a law he believes is unconstitutional.
The “free pass” is the deafening silence when the Bushmaster pulls these stunts.
Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don’t need it).
“So the guys who pay more than 60% of all income and capital gains taxes shouldn’t get any break from this? You could easily make the argument that the money that flows into the system to help sustain business and create more jobs is the very same money that you (Lee) thinks should be ignored. I paid off a few more bills with my tax cut. Those who don’t need to worry about it are the ones that will invest it.”
I disagree with Iacocca here. The Bush tax cuts will remain the only redeeming legacy of his woeful presidency.
While we’re fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do.
“So while Lee and his ilk are playing the fiddle, they think we should excoreate the guy who actually is trying to do something. Since it’s not the ‘something’ that they would do, Lee, Democrats in general, the Press and the other institutions of disappointment go all out in sabotaging every effort being made to try and fix this mess. Way to make a self-fulfilling prophesy, there, Rastus. Harry Reid says we have lost. Not that we need a new direction, or that we need more of this, or better that, but LOST.”
Hey Tom, here’s a late breaking announcement for you. We lost in Vietnam. I know, you don’t want to hear it or admit it, but we lost in Vietnam. Even an eighth-grader like me in 1969 knew it was hopeless and a lost cause and unfortunately there were no Harry Reid’s to bring the like-it-or-not truth to the “silent majority”. Well, guys like Harry and me were right forty years ago and we’re right again today. Get used to it. It’s over over there. We can argue until we’re blue in the face, but I’ll just let history vindicate my position-again.
And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions.
“Right, because every day, all I ever read or hear about from the MSM is how great it is going over there. What utter crap. Do you disagree?”
Tom, all I ever hear is how two hundred Iraqi’s died Tuesday. All I ever hear is how we aren’t even trying to train them to fight anymore, it’s too useless. We should take the example of the Iraqi middle class and get the hell out of there now.
What could be more supportive of our troops than bringing them home immediately?
Joe
April 22, 2007 at 4:52 pm #18826Joe Corlett
MemberAndy wrote
If Lee Iacoca is so damn smart, why don’t he put down his little pencil, stop selling books and run for office. Then he talks about he can’t make hybrids…cause he is too busy making bicycles and electric golf carts.
What an asshole. (Am I allowed to say that here?)
Andy:
Lee Iacocca talked Congress into loaning Chrysler billions of dollars to avoid bankruptcy. That feat alone is admirable, but he didn’t stop there. He brought Chrysler back to life, saving millions of American jobs and families.
That’s my kind of asshole,
Joe
April 22, 2007 at 5:06 pm #18827Joe Corlett
MemberWags wrote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CepS8u9wQ What gets me is how people have such a short memory. While the Democrats have the luxury of rewriting history, the President doesn’t. Interesting how the same folks that are today calling the war a mistake were all for it a few years ago. And they are doing this ONLY for political purposes, for power, to win the election in 2008. They could care less about the American Military, or the country, its about power and money. I could respect someone that was consistant, but all they do is energize our enemies. We can debate if the intellegence was flawed or not, but lets not call people liars when they saw the exact same information the President did and were 100% behind his actions. And just as bad is how the American People belive the lies the Democrats are telling us now.. People we need to Remember the past and hold these bums accountable.
Wags:
The Bushmaster is doing as much rewriting as the Democrats, if not more as he has much more to want rewritten. At least John Edwards has the balls to admit his support of the war was a mistake, too bad we can’t get Bush to say the same. Although he’s never admitted to making any mistakes, has he?
I cannot let stand your idea that anyone who doesn’t see the world as you do is somehow less patriotic. To take a different political tack at the risk of being labled “unsupporting of the troops/ading the enemy” is courage and patriotism at its best. You’ll not shame us into silence when there is no shame in our actions.
You, me and Iacocca all agree that we need to “hold these bums accountable”.
Joe
April 22, 2007 at 5:14 pm #18828Joe Corlett
MemberLinda wrote
I have one question for everyone running for office, holding office or voicing objections to the way the President is conducting the war in Iraq and the war on terror. “If you were the President and you had the backing of both Houses of Congress and the American people, what EXACTLY would you do?” Note the word EXACTLY. No spin, no sound bites but an exact, specific plan.
Linda
Linda:
I would begin by showing the most support for our troops as possible by bringing everyone home. How much more supportive can you get? The Shia’s and Sunni’s have been fighting about Mohammed for thousands of years, let’s let ’em keep killing each other until they figure it out.
Joe
April 22, 2007 at 5:16 pm #18830whrona
MemberSo what is this anti Bush tirade doing in the business section?
Andy, can we kick this crap into the patio sections where it belongs?
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