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January 11, 2007 at 11:34 am #624
KCWOOD
MemberDo you guys see the term and use of this “Anti-Bacterial” Microban…ect growing in popularity as a sales tool. I saw a Silestone Ad… it was all about their ‘microban and how the consumer doesn’t need to worry about bacteria growing on their cooking surfaces. I can see this , as it progresses, taking market share from the stone market. Now Dupont is pushing it too…..
January 11, 2007 at 11:51 am #12721Matt Dufinetz
MemberI would be very cautious on making this statement “Anti-Microbial” or “Anti-Bacterial”. We have looked into this at great length,but I cannot get into this on this forum. In order for this statement to be true, it must be able continually changing strands of microbes and bacteria, and well, how does someone keep up with that? The correct statement is solid surface is resistant to fungal and bacteris growth and is non-porous..
January 11, 2007 at 11:55 am #12723KCWOOD
MemberBut then again, Silestone is using it as a sales tool “Microban” and now Dupont.. Not claiming it works or not, just use as a sales tool
January 11, 2007 at 12:06 pm #12726Tom M
MemberKC, between AB and Green, the scare lobby is on full tilt boogie right now.Tom
January 11, 2007 at 1:15 pm #12731Andy Graves
KeymasterSo why then is granite so popular if everyone is worried about microbes. Isn’t water perculating through granite in the earth? Doesn’t the granite act as a filter as the water goes through it? So when you take it out of the ground, doesn’t it still have the “stuff” in it?
Just curious.
January 11, 2007 at 1:18 pm #12733Jon Olson
MemberGranite is popular because most consumers are lemmings. They are told to like it.
January 11, 2007 at 1:31 pm #12736Tom M
MemberLemmings. There’s that word again Andy.
Generally, it was us old-timers equivalent to “drinking the kool aid” nowadays. Lemmings, with their herd mentality, blindly follow in mass whoever is leading them, wherever they go. Even if it’s over a cliff.Tom
January 11, 2007 at 4:13 pm #12763Yorkie
MemberJon, I must respectfully disagree on the consumer lemming part. We’re Americans, we have choices And right now, designers are all things stone pusher. Stone has flooded the market, supply meets demand. I like both, I supply both sides.
Consumer education…we’ve talked about that till we’re blue in the face. How does ISSFA plan on educating?
January 11, 2007 at 6:46 pm #12768KCWOOD
MemberI agree with the “HERD” mentality…. what’s “in” is anything that is on HGTV… Gee this is my 499th post… got to come up with a good one for the #500.
January 11, 2007 at 7:35 pm #12778Eric Patterson
MemberThe top dog kitchen designer in okc had a small article about her company in the sunday paper. She refered to granite as being “overexposed” and is promoting other products for counter tops.
The worm turns……………
January 11, 2007 at 7:58 pm #12780roger penick
MemberAl, what does “overexposed” mean? To me it means the stone pushers are doing their job and selling the product. Promote it, and they will buy if you will.
January 11, 2007 at 10:14 pm #12789Tom M
MemberDave,
I agree. The problem is we seem to want to oversell the negatives of stone, at the expense of underselling the value of solid surface. Not everyone, mind you, but in my case I swear it seems to take more time than it used to to swing a prospect. That is not entirly our fault.I could almost forgive the ad agencies. The camera likes it better. That’s just the f’ing way it is (ask me about that phrase and Paul Anka sometime in Fla.). If the reverse were true, we wouldn’t be demanding equal time for stone, just to keep it fair.Well the left would, but that’s a different story.
Who I don’t forgive are the folks that are supposed to represent truth, honesty, and are hired or charged with fair distribution of information. Consumer frickin’ reports, various home improvement shows, designer forums, stores that are based on profit over substance, etc.
As for the public, look, Mrs. Smith bought the gosh-danged tops for the way they looked to her. Ger already soft concerns about maintenance were brushed aside by a dealer who wanted to close the sale. So her decision was predicated by her prejudice, and the salesman didn’t care enough, or was too rushed, to set her straight on all the bits of info that should help her make an honest decision. Derilection of duty is not jailable in this case, but the guy’s a hack, or is told to rush the sale because the price is too low to spend the time doing it right.
Dave, your correct, she has the right to a choice, but she is entitled to good information from the places she goes to get it. She didn’t go to a shoe store to buy a top, she went to a place that sells tops.
Tom
January 11, 2007 at 10:16 pm #12790Tom M
MemberThe previous comment should have been brought to you by an organization dedicated to promoting solid surface. But that organization doesn’t exist anymore, so it was instead brought ot you by several Australian pygmy ponies wearing fezz hats.January 11, 2007 at 10:29 pm #12793Wags
MemberThe month after Oxley started at ISSFA we (Arizona) had him to our ISSFA meeting. I rode with him for a full day, visiting fabricators etc. The ONE thing that he was told ISSFA should be doing was promoting Solid Surface. Writing articles for news papers, Magazines etc. To this day I have yet to see a single article in a newspaper etc writtin by ISSFA promoting Solid Surface. They have failed at the very basic purpose for a trade organization. And the board gave him a contract for the next 7 years ?? Unreal….
January 12, 2007 at 1:01 am #12813Andy Graves
KeymasterWags wrote
The month after Oxley started at ISSFA we (Arizona) had him to our ISSFA meeting. I rode with him for a full day, visiting fabricators etc. The ONE thing that he was told ISSFA should be doing was promoting Solid Surface. Writing articles for news papers, Magazines etc. To this day I have yet to see a single article in a newspaper etc writtin by ISSFA promoting Solid Surface. They have failed at the very basic purpose for a trade organization. And the board gave him a contract for the next 7 years ?? Unreal….
Wags,
I remember debating this issue with you on the SolidSurfaceGeeks site. I honestly thought you were full of sh%$ SORRY I WAS WRONG…MY BAD
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