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January 18, 2007 at 9:05 am #671
Steve Poland
MemberGuys we are being asked to produce several white SS 4″ x 4″ x 8′ 4 sided columns with a wood sleeve they are non structural but must have a wood sleeve wish SSV was around for this one ? #1 does anyone sell white 8′ sheets of SS to avoid a realy bad yield ? # 2 in your opinion is miter folding the way to go there is some qty involved so it will be repetitous would love to hear your thoughts & strategies
January 18, 2007 at 9:47 am #13151Matt Kraft
MemberIs a small or regional manufacturer an option??We could make them for you, or I could recommend someone closer depending on where you are located.
January 18, 2007 at 10:04 am #13153Joe Corlett
MemberSteve:
I don’t see any yeild problem. Buy 12′ sheets, cut them to 8′, seam the 4′ drops together back into 8′.
I would rip the half of the strips at 3 1/2″ and half at 3 5/8″. Run a 1/8″ deep by 1/2″ wide (solid surface thickness) rabbet down the backside of the 3 1/2″ strips. In the shop, butt, seam, profile and finish the unrabbeted edge of the 3 1/2″ to the 3 5/8″ strip.
Rip a strip of 3/4 ” plastic laminate 45″ long or so. Cut it in half and glue the halves together. Cut the doubled laminate into 1″ long shims.
On the jobsite, clean your rabbets and edges and set each half a column in place and secure with one cove Dani clamp top, bottom and middle. Spread the cove Dani clamps and insert a shim into the rabbet. The columns are in place, you have two cleaned seams seperated perfectly and are ready to glue.
Starting at the top, dispense glue into the shimmed rabbet all the way to the bottom. Pull the shims, the squeeze-out will probably cover the shimmed area and place cove Dani clamps all the way down the column every foot or so. You’ll have to clamp the rabbet in and back, so you’ll need enough clamps (32) to go each direction on both seams. The rabbet keeps you flush.
No v-groover required, and half the job is done by shop guys instead of field guys. Gluing to the shimed rabbet reduces air time and chance of contamination on the worst color possible.
Joe
January 18, 2007 at 11:09 am #13156Andy Graves
KeymasterWhat Joe said.
Avonite still makes the 1/8 material for wall cladding. Maybe this would be the perfect fit for the 1/8″ material. Contact your Avonite rep and tell him to get you some information. I think technically it is an Aristech product but Avonite guy should be able to get the info.
January 18, 2007 at 11:44 am #13158Steve Poland
MemberGuy’s I just wanted to mention these go out as a finished column installed by other thanks I will check Avonite 1/8″ BTW Gibraltar has 1/8″ too then again they are the same thing just a different sticker on a different day
thanks Steve,January 18, 2007 at 12:37 pm #13159Tom M
MemberInteresting, Andy.
I think that Aristech is marketting the material, not Avonite. At least my Avonite distributor is not selling it, any way.Tom
January 18, 2007 at 2:50 pm #13166Joe Corlett
MemberSteve:
You didn’t mention the area in which these columns are being used, but 1/8″ is not adequate for most commercial appications. You might as well put in plastic laminate, let ’em tear it up and go back in a few years.
Joe
January 18, 2007 at 3:17 pm #13168Steve Poland
MemberGuy’s
I think 1/8″ has gone away for the most part my Avonite guy said not anymore as of this year and no special lengths no matter the qty same with hanex my Gibraltar dist has 1/8″ but again no new stock and no custom lengths the only thing I found out was corian sorry not my favorite word but hey green is! can get me custom sizes on 5 pallet orders so I could get 8′ x whatever thats great news if I could ask again has anyone tried miter folding is there a pitfall I’m not seeing
thanks Steve,
January 18, 2007 at 3:21 pm #13170Jon Olson
MemberWhat color do you need? I have some 1/4 48.5x 84 in certain colors. Check out the Marketplace .
January 18, 2007 at 3:28 pm #13171Andy Graves
KeymasterMiter fold would be a great solution. Just miter the 4 v-grooves and glue two together. Leave the other dry for the installers.
January 18, 2007 at 3:36 pm #13173Joe Corlett
MemberSteve:
You can probably get 1/4″ Corian and have someone push it through a V-groover. Send the V-grooved sheets out flat and have the field guys glue ’em, stand ’em and tape ’em in place.
Since you’re not paying a guy $32.00 an hour to peel tape off those v-grooved corners and to profile and finish same, it doesn’t matter to you.
I’ll install ’em for scale, transportation, a fat per diem and I’ll even suppy the Dani clamps if we do it my way.
Joe
January 18, 2007 at 4:22 pm #13185Steve Poland
MemberHey guy,s
I really appreciate all the great input keep in mind they ship out completely done all 4 joints the finished product slips over a steele tube in the field. ? is there a difference between v-grooving on a v-groover and miter folding on a CNC just 2 ways of doing the same thing is it not. Sorry Joe no steak & beer budget this time but I like the way your thinking!!
thanks Steve,
January 18, 2007 at 4:34 pm #13186Tom M
MemberV-grooving on your CNC never seemed to be a great idea to me.
We don’t have a V-groover, but we adapted some cool tricks into the Streibig Panel saw and it V-Grooves great.
Got it down to about an eight-minute turn around from the regular blade.
Tom
January 19, 2007 at 2:14 am #13230Andy Graves
KeymasterYou can v-groove on a CNC but i haven’t had great luck.
January 19, 2007 at 9:10 am #13242Steve Lefebvre
MemberV grooving on a CNC is a iffy process. Your spoilboard will need to be perfect, preferably freshly machined just before attempting to do it. You CAN use your CNC to machine a mitered edge on strips. Take the strips and tape them together and fold the column up. I would even apply tape to the open face to mask it off from the adhesive. Squirt the adhesive in one continous bead directly in the center of the V. Do NOT open up any of the miters once you have the adhesive in them. You will trap air bubbles in the seam and they will be the devil to fill after. If you accidentally drop a strip after gluing you must re apply another bead down the V center. Use only 3M #355 tape. Other brands or common packing tape will make you sorry, they may not strip clean or even worse, not come off in one piece. It won’t take a lot of time to pull the tape off and you will be left with a column that only needs the edges broken. We have done this many times with wood veneer and P-lam too. Try a test run with your table saw. One trick I would often use is to take a sanding block and ever so lightly take the sharpness off the mitre before taping them together. This will make it easier to tape together and it will also aid in pulling the seams tighter together.
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